{"id":3369,"date":"2025-02-05T13:31:13","date_gmt":"2025-02-05T13:31:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/?p=3369"},"modified":"2025-02-07T15:39:37","modified_gmt":"2025-02-07T15:39:37","slug":"einige-interessante-punkte-zum-zitieren","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/?p=3369","title":{"rendered":"Einige interessante Punkte zum Zitieren"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Dabei sind nat\u00fcrlich auch die klassischen Stereotypen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Documentary on the 80s and 90s Demoscene: The Art Of The Algorithms [FULL]\" width=\"625\" height=\"352\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/5MexnBunH_g?start=349&#038;feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Einige interessante Quotes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ein ganz grosser Punkt: Der kulturelle Background der Scene! Viele waren jung und haben dementsprechend (Noch keine Bildung zum Thema), sie waren also Autodidakten*. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"621\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.27.52-1024x621.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3372\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.27.52-1024x621.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.27.52-300x182.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.27.52-768x465.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.27.52-1536x931.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.27.52-624x378.png 624w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.27.52.png 1838w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Und ein Problem bei der Professionalisierung sp\u00e4ter?  Und ist das ein Grund, warum so wenige Demos gutes Design im klassischen Sinn hatten und sich die Szene inklusive Games so eigenst\u00e4ndig entwickelte. Keine Vorbilder und kein Bezug? Ein Gl\u00fccksfall oder ein Teil des Ph\u00e4nomens die &#8222;Scene&#8220;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"610\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.05-1024x610.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3374\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.05-1024x610.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.05-300x179.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.05-768x458.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.05-1536x915.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.05-624x372.png 624w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.05.png 1772w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Interessanter Begriff der naiven Artform &#8211; in einem gewissen Sinne Brute. Das trifft ja auch gerade auf die Nichtkommerzielle bzw. Heimcomputerseite der Games zu am Anfang der 80er bis 90 zu. Art Brute Gamedesign.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"594\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.19-1024x594.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.19-1024x594.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.19-300x174.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.19-768x446.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.19-1536x892.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.19-624x362.png 624w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.28.19.png 1764w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Die Frage der Obseleszenz der Demoscene. Warum braucht man sie heute noch? Nur als Selbstausdruck?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Und die Frage des Graffitis<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"665\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.33-1024x665.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3376\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.33-1024x665.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.33-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.33-768x499.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.33-1536x998.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.33-2048x1330.png 2048w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.33-624x405.png 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"665\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.40-1024x665.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3377\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.40-1024x665.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.40-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.40-768x499.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.40-1536x998.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.40-2048x1330.png 2048w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.32.40-624x405.png 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Aber auch hier eine Diskussion, die von aussen kommt. Interessanterweise f\u00e4ngt es mit Graffiti an und die Jungs knacken das Schloss und kopieren das Haus. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Die Elite, das sind zuerst die, die einen Computer hatten. Hier kommt schon wieder die Frage des Middle bis Upperclass und technische Elite ins Spiel. Der Computer als Hardware als Elite und Differenzierungs&#8220;ding&#8220;. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"665\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.33.56-1024x665.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3378\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.33.56-1024x665.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.33.56-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.33.56-768x499.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.33.56-1536x998.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.33.56-2048x1330.png 2048w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.33.56-624x405.png 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Anders als heute: Es gab den Computer als stehendes Ding, das \u00fcber 4-6 Jahre haargenau gleich rauskam. Es z\u00e4hlte also allein, das was man damit machte. Hier als Quote:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"665\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.03-1024x665.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3379\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.03-1024x665.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.03-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.03-768x499.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.03-1536x998.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.03-2048x1330.png 2048w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.03-624x405.png 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Auch hier weg vom Einzelentwicklerprojekt und der Technologie ins Design. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"665\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.39-1024x665.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3380\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.39-1024x665.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.39-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.39-768x499.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.39-1536x998.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.39-2048x1330.png 2048w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.35.39-624x405.png 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Der sociale Event<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"665\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.38.07-1024x665.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3382\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.38.07-1024x665.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.38.07-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.38.07-768x499.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.38.07-1536x998.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.38.07-2048x1330.png 2048w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.38.07-624x405.png 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Weiterhin keine Finanzierung etwa der Demoevents, weil weder Kunst noch Kultur.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"665\" src=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.43.11-1024x665.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3381\" srcset=\"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.43.11-1024x665.png 1024w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.43.11-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.43.11-768x499.png 768w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.43.11-1536x998.png 1536w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.43.11-2048x1330.png 2048w, https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Bildschirmfoto-2025-02-05-um-14.43.11-624x405.png 624w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dabei sind nat\u00fcrlich auch die klassischen Stereotypen. Einige interessante Quotes: Ein ganz grosser Punkt: Der kulturelle Background der Scene! Viele waren jung und haben dementsprechend (Noch keine Bildung zum Thema), sie waren also Autodidakten*. Und ein Problem bei der Professionalisierung sp\u00e4ter? Und ist das ein Grund, warum so wenige Demos gutes Design im klassischen Sinn [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[83,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3369","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-demoscene","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3369","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3369"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3369\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3383,"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3369\/revisions\/3383"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3369"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3369"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/research.swissdigitization.ch\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3369"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}