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- ixistenz (rené b.) — 09:13What was the ground for the demoscene? of course the homecomputerscene. And the reasons are interesting. The Invention of Home Computer Games as Video Games and Computer Games“ Home computers and their games have largely faded from the spotlight today. Their heyday was between 1981 and 1995. Back then, the names were ZX81, TI99, C64, Atari ST, and Amiga. They brought together two gaming traditions: that of computer games, which evolved from mainframes like Plato/Unix to minicomputers and personal computers, and the arcade and console culture. On the one hand, there were text adventures, physics games, strategy games, role-playing games, MUDs and adventure games; on the other hand, there were arcade games and console games. And yes, they continued to develop these games, creating hybrids, more complex games, and open-world games. Games were created like: Empire, Oregon Trail, Tetris, Boulder Dash, Monkey Island, Giana Sisters, Ballerburg, Xenon, Another World, Populus, LCP, Lamatron, Oil empire etc. It was a time for experiments. Importantly, home computers were computers—and unlike console games, they were open. New content was possible. So it wasn’t a read-only medium. Not only entertainment. And so also gameart (art form) is formed in the same way as, for example, “A young man …”. During this period, many different types of games were also developed in Switzerland. This article explores these as well. Much more you finde in our article: https://www.gamelab.ch/?p=13313GAMELAB.CHadminThe Invention of Home Computer Games as Video Games and Computer Games
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— 11:31What in the actual ass is that graph? What’s the X axis? - aldroid — 11:34popularity at a guess
- Maali — 11:58and sand
- sauli [DEMO], — 13:22oddly familiar
- looks like one of those spiderwebs spiders do under lsd or something
- hmm wrong
- definitely sleeping pills
- Merlock Sholmes / .dot ^ TRD [DEMO], — 13:43yeah… kind of…
- Maali — 14:52’show your inner voronoi spider‘
- Merlock Sholmes / .dot ^ TRD [DEMO], — 14:52lolz
- [DEMO], Mrs Beanbag — 14:54looks like „frivolity“
- or, work vs play axis
- DrSlem — 14:57It’s clearly linked to the Pepe Silvia meme
- Mrs Beanbag — 14:58tbh i don’t think the X axis needs to be taken particularly seriously/literally, it’s really only there to show concurrency of the different things.
- it’s what the little arrows represent that i’m boggling about right now tbh.
- aldroid — 15:05there’s one-directional and bidirectional arrows going into and out of consoles and personal computers. and tele-games just hanging out with the gang
- DrClaw [DEMO], — 15:07And what’s up with the weird shapes of the different „regions“ of things? It looks like an idea of a graph by somebody that doesn’t understand what a graph is
- If you have actual data, could we potentially just see that as a bog standard bar chart?
- The_Blode — 15:09Thanks for sharing. I read around 150 lines of the piece but could not make it through the nearly 1000 lines as I have other pressing things to do today. I did take some notes of what I managed to read and I can give you the feedback if you want it. Just let me know. Thank you.
- Mrs Beanbag — 15:09it’s not equivalent to a bar chart. it’s equivalent more or less to an interval chart i think
- i wonder if the width of each piece is meant to correspond to market share in some way although that doesn’t really account for the large gap in it before 1980 where it doesn’t add up to 100% so can’t really be that. but then it’s really just an illustration rather than a graph as such so shouldn’t be taken that literally
- aldroid — 15:14it’s a long article, i think it’s done its best to be comprehensive, but it would benefit from more of a leading narrative to carry the reader along
- reed — 16:10There’s a short explanation of the graph in the article
- The computer game and its internal and external influences. In the middle the new computer category Home computers. The production stopped, the reproduction of its gameculture and games often too.
- So apparently the little arrows represent influence
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:13rather difficult to think where home computers influenced arcades. arcade games were pretty much dying out already in the early 2000s when everywhere you used to see arcade machines in public spaces either disappeared or got replaced with things like fruit machines or other gambling games.
- if there’s an example of a game that started off on a home computer before being ported to arcade i’d like to hear it.
- product idea though: steam cabinet
- gasman [DEMO], — 16:17isn’t that called a sauna
- reed — 16:17There are many examples of arcade games running on home computer hardware
- Maali — 16:17dishwasher
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:22yes but i asked for the opposite of that
- The_Blode — 16:22I got the same. It felt meandering and I wasn’t engaged or gripped like I would have hoped. This piece looks to be the first draft before the final publication so it’ll likely be revised at some point.
- reed — 16:27I meant there are arcade game systems that are essentially home computers, not home conversions of arcade games
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:29right. well i know there are people who have build Amigas into arcade cabinets and so on. but that’s not what i’m asking. have there been any arcade games that are conversions of home computer games? i’m trying to understand the arrow pointing from home computers into arcades. it seems doubtful to me that any arcade game designers were particularly influenced by games for home computers.
- havoc — 16:30choplifter
- boulderdash
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:31havoc coming straight out with the good answers
- reed — 16:32That was my point re: the arrows, because there are many arcade cabinets that were running an Amiga for example, that counts for home computers influencing arcades in my book
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:32Atari being the conduit for that in this case, havoc’s special subject
- reed — 16:32And I’m not talking about hobbyist projects just to be clear
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:33right that’s what i was wondering, because i know the hobbyist ones were a thing. actually i just remembered those early Virtual Reality games that were an Amiga 3000 inside, although that’s straddling the line between Home Computer and PC already.
- (my estimate of the number of people who had an Amiga 3000 at home for playing games is not high)
- havoc — 16:36reason i know those answers is because i was reading an article on the subject not too long ago, can’t find that atm though
- gist of the story was, there was a lot more examples from japan than from the west
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:37that makes sense
- aldroid — 16:37apparently zool had an arcade release
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:38not worth 10p a go imho lol
- aldroid — 16:38you have such a chupa chip on your shoulder about that game 😂
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:38i do. well. that’s because it was shit.
- reed — 16:38I mean I’m too lazy to really look it up, but there’s a bunch of LaserDisc cabinets like Mad Dog McCree that used an Amiga, and there was the Arcadia system that played actual Amiga games, and then there was stuff like the PlayChoice 10 cabinet which was really an NES
- aldroid — 16:39i have a vague memory of seeing a SWOS cabinet at one time, that might be what i was thinking of
- or i dreamed it of course
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:40oh yeah i remember the NES cabinets, that would be the arrow from consoles to arcades though, not home computers
- aldroid — 16:40are we ontopic or offtopic at this point? should we move?
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:40that arrow seems to be missing in fact
- havoc — 16:40depends on which janitors are awake
- reed — 16:40Yeah, good point
- havoc — 16:40and how cranky they are today
- reed — 16:41I think it’s been strictly offtopic since people started talking about Big Lebowski last night
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:42what exactly is the topic for „general“ anyway?
- havoc — 16:43high level military topics i guess
- reed — 16:43War plans
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:43this is peripherally home-computer related anyway
- havoc — 16:43it’s not about joysticks and diskdrives though
- Maali — 16:44gonorrheal
- reed — 16:44We could always start talking about running demos on arcades
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:44it’s kind of about joysticks, if you can regard an arcade cabinet as a mahoosive joystick
- arcade machine that’s an Amiga that’s a demo jukebox
- havoc — 16:46yes but my stupid joke was about home computer peripherals so that doesn’t count 😛
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:47if the arcade cabinet has an amiga in it, it’s a peripheral for the amiga
- havoc — 16:47probably shouldve said diskdrives and daisywheel printers or smth
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:48my response would have been the same
- havoc — 16:48would be fun though, an arcade cabinet running xcopy
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:48lol
- aldroid — 16:48i tell you what i would spend good money on in an arcade. windows 3.1 defrag
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:48that’s what you’d get if GenAI made a film about the demoscene
- havoc — 16:49hmm how about playing frogger on windows defrag
- Mrs Beanbag — 16:49defrogger
- reed — 16:50Deaf Roger
- havoc — 16:51coin operated defrogger sounds really awful
- aldroid — 16:52defrag frogger sounds pretty good actually, somebody get on that
- reed — 17:35I can almost hear somebody’s fingers working on it at this very moment
- aldroid — 17:39just no slopware pls 😓
- reed — 17:430-day slopwarez
